If the universe apparently popped into existence out of pure nothingness with absolutely no cause and for absolutely no reason. How do you think this can be used to prove something? What thing?
Although an argument can be given for something existing without a cause, there are no viable theories to explain how something can exist without a cause "inside" our universe. Creationists (and theologians) propose that God exists outside of our universe and is therefore exempt from the law of causality; however, we have no way of actually knowing if anything outside of our universe is truly exempt from causation. It's little more than a notion at this point.
Actually, one cannot logically argue God at all. God defies any logical principles since nothing concrete can be applied to a "spiritual" being. Hell if logic is Its creation, it would be illogical if God is submissively to Its creation's law. We can logically argue any realistic principle which can be applied to a theoretical Supreme Being (which in fact originates from man, not the divine), however, outside of the realm of multiple universe theory, arguing that something can exist or be possible according to the principles of logic does not in any way establish their actual existence.
I don't know of a better word to use in English to describe God than spiritual. I can use "fictional" but some of y'all will not like it. I don't know the best translation for the word "ghaib." Without actual evidence, God is indeed a fictional being, in that everything we know about him comes from the literary constructs of writers. There is no proof of God outside of that literature. At all. Which is why Its very existence is based on faith. Not fact. Logically, it is not a requirement to prove something for which you have no evidence in the first place. You can prove something for which you have evidence, or disprove the evidence itself, but you cannot prove or disprove something that has no evidence to support it's existence.
"Evidence" of faith does not in any way equal evidence of God. That's nonsense. In order to have evidence of God we need recordable proof. We don't have that. And if we had God showed up in person is a proof, well Christianity would be the only one religion that unquestionable. Do they? The historical of Jesus still a debate until now.
It is irrelevant to question and ponder the nature of God, any more it was irrelevant for man to ponder the nature of the stars or the existence of the soul. One proved to be real, the other a fantasy.
I believe that if God existed (of the personal variety, anyway), that such a being would ultimately act in accordance with logic and reason. After all, an illogical being would not craft a completely logical universe would it? And if God be the logical being I believe, why would such a logical being who has so much interaction with the daily lives of such a primitive species as man fail to identity It purpose or convey Its instructions in a meaningful and verifiable fashion, instead acting through the dream-inspired ramblings of bronze-age poets? If I am wrong, I rely on God Itself to point that out in person—not other flawed human beings such as myself.
I too am religious and a believer. But my God is of the impersonal variety and influences this world in a way which is inseparable from natural law. So, investigation into Its "true" nature is as simple as picking up a science book, which I'm sure It encourage me to do.
Scientists are such that they approach the world under the auspices of reason and rationale. In fact, they usually consider it a requirement that cannot be dismissed. Not so of the theologian or priest. In fact, for their purposes, the less rational the doctrine, the better. Rational thought, after all, can be questioned. And you don't want questioning in certain religions. It can blow the whole doctrine out of the water.
I would also challenge the "theory" that religious people are somehow more moral than the scientific investigator. In my humble opinion based on a lifetime of experience, they are not. Oh, they claim to be, indeed. But they are not. Unless intolerance, prejudice, and cruelty are the standard for said morality.
What many religions make attractive to many people is the license to suspend disbelief, discard personal responsibility, and embrace ignorance and blind faith as paths to a "truth" which can be claimed but never materializes. It's the transformation of the thinking person into an emotionally-driven sheep. Some religions do embrace science and education as paths to more realistic truths, but for the most part, this is not the case.
Morality does have nothing to do with a person's profession, vocation, calling, or religious / historical title. I do not judge the theologians, priests, and prophets on the basis that they did not practice science. I judge them on the basis that they followed a moral code that was not particularly "moral" in most circumstances at that time they lived. My opinion (and the general opinion of today's moralists) is that a truly ethical moral code must benefit (or at the very least do no harm to) your fellow human being, either physically or emotionally, or impair their advancement. This is not the nature of most religious moral codes put forth by the prophets. Religious people may often lower this standard in accordance with their own beliefs, but I do not. It is not in any way illogical to deny a "prophet" or devotee an elevated status of moral authority. It is illogical NOT to question that status.
I endeavor not to insult actual persons or their beliefs so long as they don't attempt to impose those beliefs on me; however, the prophets and other historical figures are fair game. Nothing exempts them from examination and scrutiny. Don't take my rejection of "religion over science" in any way as an attempt by me to impose my views on you. I have no qualms with anyone religious affiliation or views. Labeling things we don't understand is how primitive human dealt with the uncertainty of the universe. And the rest of us should certainly move beyond this ancient mode of thinking. Label the unknown as an unknown and move on.
